A Notch Below the Rest

USB Cable

The other day at work, I wanted to move around some of the items we have sitting on a table at the back of the room I work in.  This included a monitor, a small printer, and a large flatbed scanner.  The monitor and the printer were easy to move, but the scanner had run out of USB cord length, so I couldn’t move it any farther away from the computer it was attached to.  Thinking I had remembered seeing a USB extension cord floating around the office somewhere, I got out our box of random computer parts and started digging through it in hopes of finding something useful.

After only a minute or two, I came up victorious: one of our Macs had come with a USB extension cord for the keyboard that was about two feet long; perfect for moving the scanner.  I put the box of junk away and dove under the table to add the extension cord to the mix of wires coming out of the back of the computer.

The male end of the extension plugged into the back of the computer alright, but then when I tried to attach the female end to the scanner’s USB cable, I found that they wouldn’t connect to each other.

I checked to make sure the connectors were the same size; they were.  I flipped one end of the cable around, thinking I might have just made the mistake of trying to plug them in upside-down, but this didn’t work either.  Slightly frustrated, I pulled the cable out of the computer and brought it back into the light where I could examine it more closely.

And that’s when I saw it.  The female end of this otherwise normal USB cord had a small raised notch right down the center of one end.

This slight change to the connector does not exist for any functional reason – it was placed there solely to prevent the end user from using the cable for anything other than what Apple had intended it for.  I unplugged the keyboard from my computer and checked the male end of its USB connector, and sure enough, there was the matching groove for the extension cord’s notch.

What utter horse shit.

Forget, if you will, that Macs typically cost hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars more than their PC counterparts.  Forget that none of my games will run in Mac OS.  Forget that Macs have a somewhat limited library of software compared to Windows.  Forget the throngs of imbeciles known as Mac fanboys.  And, if possible, try to forget all those annoying and factually deficient Jason Long commercials.

This is why I will never get a Mac.

You’d think that a company who charges such a ridiculous premium for their computers would have the common courtesy to at least include a USB extension that follows industry standards and works with other devices, but no.  After all is said and done, Apple sticks to its guns, follows the same path it always has, and makes a no-stop trip straight into proprietary hell.  At this point, I’m honestly surprised that they haven’t started releasing their keyboard / mouse with custom triangular USB plugs, to prevent people from using them on non-Apple computers.

This is the kind of bogus practice that will eventually hurt Apple’s reputation with consumers, and they deserve every bit of criticism for it.

And don’t even get me started on the new iPod Shuffle, which requires proprietary headphones to work.

Small Talk

63 comments:

  1. Dr. Watz0n - Over a year ago

    I agree with you 100%. As an Apple Keyboard user (I love the keyboard, don’t get me wrong), I was apalled to make the same discovery you did a year ago when I wanted to use the extra cord for my printer, but I couldn’t. Apple needs to take a step back with all of this “nearly open but it’s still proprietary” port mess, like Mini Displayport, and the 3.5mm headphones with an Apple licensed control chip. Starting to feel more and more like the days of ADB more and more…

    1. FredFredrickson - Over a year ago

      Wow, I’d never heard about ADB before you mentioned it. It sounds pretty awful though.

      I remember back when PS/2 devices wouldn’t work if you hot-swapped them, but I’d never heard about a system that could actually become damaged from the swapping. And good for only 400 plug-ins? Good grief!

    2. Dr. Watz0n - Over a year ago

      Yea, the worst part was that my Mac at the time (PowerMac G3) had USB, FireWire, and ADB. Thank god for USB, really, as long as companies don’t screw around with it.

    3. dangerous_dave - Over a year ago

      I don’t have a problem with the mini display port. I’m happy that it takes up 1/3 of what it would if it were DVI, and my $US15 port that plugs into it can output in RCA or S-Video, I use the former, since RCA cables are lying around everywhere. The mini display ports are now being replaced with micro display ports, which are even smaller and I believe first appeared on the MB Air.

      But as far as shipping a cable that would have cost them a few dollars to make, and making it only work for their purpose, well that’s a bit over the top. But it’s too late now, so use pliers.

    4. Dr. Watz0n - Over a year ago

      Actually, I believe the the previous video out port (on first generation MacBook Airs) was a Mini or Micro DVI. The Mini Displayport technology is relatively recent, and was unveiled last October with the new and refreshed Apple notebooks.

      That being said, it’s not necessarily that I have a problem with the purpose of Mini Displayport: not only does it push HD resolution video from a computer to a monitor, but it also charges the notebook. The problem I have is that Apple is replacing standardized ports (DVI) with their own proprietary (albeit open) technology.

    5. threezeros000 - Over a year ago

      I laughed at this. What a bunch of shit.

  2. Yourself - Over a year ago

    And to think that OS X is Unix based.

    Hypocrisy.

  3. dangerous_dave - Over a year ago

    You don’t own pliers?

  4. xot - Over a year ago

    I like Apple to a certain extent. I used to adore them and I still love their old products. But they’ve been running backwards since about 1989. Their old stuff was so open, even if it was proprietary. How many computer manufactures give you schematics with their computers or the source code for their OS. I miss those days. The current greedy elitism of their products coupled with Jobs’ sickening doublespeak breaks my heart. Woz made the right decision to bail.

  5. SunnyKatt - Over a year ago

    I too hate macs. Apple is more greedy than microsoft, in my opinion. And the fanboys still praise them like they’re godly. Frankly, I think you’re paying for a gold-plated cowpie.

  6. BenRK - Over a year ago

    Ah, all the more reason for me to hate Macs even more.

  7. Compwhiz128 - Over a year ago

    Forget, if you will, that comparable PC’S cost hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars more than a Mac equivalent. Forget the cost of Windows Ultimate (still half the OS that OS X is) Forget that everything in the windows OS is proprietary. Forget that the majority of Windows software (including games) is junk. Forget the cost of the software that comes bundled on your mac for free. Forget the exclusive software not available for Windows. Forget the monthly cost(s) of a virus scanner. Forget true SMP. Forget turning on your computer and having it work for you. Forget the throngs of imbeciles known as Microsoft Zealots. Oh, and, if possible, try to forget all those annoying and factually deficient “I’m a PC” commercials.

    This is why I will never go back.

    You would think a company who’s the biggest OS developer, who charges a ridiculous premium for their operating system, would have some decency to release an operating system that just works, but no. After all is said and done Microsoft sticks to their guns, follows the same path they always have, and makes a no-stop trip straight into proprietary hell. Im surprised they don’t spy on their customers, oh wait yeah they do!

    1. Yourself - Over a year ago

      “that comparable PC’S cost hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars more than a Mac equivalent.”

      Source. And even if this is true, I think you’re ignoring the very important fact that it’s trivial to upgrade a PC with new hardware, whereas with most (and I’m going to emphasize *most* here, because you will undoubtedly come screeching with one counter example in which case I’ll point out to you that I did not say “all”) Macs you have to throw it out and buy a brand-new one. Then, of course, you’re essentially paying for stuff you don’t really need (did you really need a new hard drive if you just wanted a better video card?).

      “You would think a company who’s the biggest OS developer, who charges a ridiculous premium for their operating system, would have some decency to release an operating system that just works, but no.”

      It does just work. Even more so than my Ubuntu install. I installed Vista 64-bit Home Premium on a custom built machine and it just worked. I haven’t had a single problem with it. It’s never crashed, I’ve never encountered compatibility issues with any software I run, I didn’t have to spend hours tweaking things to get everything how I wanted it. All I did was install it and hit the ground running.

      The system has an AMD Phenom 9850 Quad-Core, 6 GB of RAM, I can’t remember how much hard drive space, and a 512 MB NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT. Grand total I spent about $750 *including* the purchase of Vista. I’m pretty sure that the cost of this machine could not possibly be thousands of dollars more than anything.

      “Forget that the majority of Windows software (including games) is junk.”

      Forget that the majority of software is for Windows to begin with and that might actually be a compelling argument. Unfortunately this is what happens when “everyone” has Windows: “everyone” develops for it.

      “makes a no-stop trip straight into proprietary hell.”

      Did you even read this article or did you stop at the first sign that this article was bashing Apple because your Apple fan-boy sense was tingling? The whole thing is about how Apple has made a proprietary change to a standard (and extremely common) piece of hardware just so it’s only usable with their products.

      “This is why I will never go back.”

      Because it’s so easy to set up straw man arguments?

  8. dangerous_dave - Over a year ago

    How do you define “comparable”? If you are talking spec wise, PCs are cheaper. There’s no denying that. Windows costs a fraction of what OS X costs when you buy it bundled. Its usually around $US40 for an OEM copy of Windows, bundled with a computer. You don’t know ths because you can’t buy this licence from a shop, only the overpriced ones. Microsoft has been near-giving away XP for netbooks to try to keep market share after companies started moving to Linux for their netbooks. It’s impossible to compare OS X because Apple is the only company who sell it with computers at bundle price, whatever that is.

    It doesn’t matter if the majority of Windows software is junk, the good stuff alone is still far more than the good stuff for Mac. There is far more exclusive to Windows software than exclusive to Mac (Game Maker, for example). Who pays for virus scanning? There are plenty of free virus scanners. That “free” software that comes with your mac (like iLife) is not actually free. That’s like saying that the power cord was free because it came with your computer. You don’t even get iLife if you buy Leopard on it’s own. There are (possibly more than) proportianally equal number of Mac zealots. And the Mac commecials were awful and below the belt.

    Most of your comments are misguided or just plain wrong. I use a Mac because I like them. I like Apple for what they have done for me. I am also aware of how they treat others (like not allowing them to use a supposedly “uneversal” cable on anything but that which what it intended), and I am also aware that I have got just as much free stuff from Microsoft as I have from Apple. Hell, you could almost say that it’s the hardware companies that drove me away from Windows rather than Microsoft.

    1. BenRK - Over a year ago

      Now there’s a Mac user I can get along with!

  9. I won't tell you - Over a year ago

    That’s all right, but until you’re a Mac fan. A Mac is a Mac, it maybe shit but it’s still better than Windows. No, I don’t support Macs, neither do I own one, but I know, you can find a hundred faults with Mac, but take Windows into light and you’ll find a thousand more faults!

  10. Compwhiz128 - Over a year ago

    “Source. And even if this is true, I think you’re ignoring the very important fact that it’s trivial to upgrade a PC with new hardware, whereas with most (and I’m going to emphasize *most* here, because you will undoubtedly come screeching with one counter example in which case I’ll point out to you that I did not say “all”) Macs you have to throw it out and buy a brand-new one. Then, of course, you’re essentially paying for stuff you don’t really need (did you really need a new hard drive if you just wanted a better video card?).”

    I make the claim, prove me wrong, and if you do, ill concede.

    How long does a PC last an average person? A year? less than that? Macs tend to last several years longer. You can run Apples lateset OS on macs clear back from 2000. I dont see a year 2000 PC running vista.

    Upgrades? I can upgrade the ram up to 4gb in a mac mini, and the hard drive. Dunno about the processor tho.

    Imac and mac books are the same.

    I think it was before 1990 when they made the first expandable mac.

    “It does just work. Even more so than my Ubuntu install. I installed Vista 64-bit Home Premium on a custom built machine and it just worked. I haven’t had a single problem with it. It’s never crashed, I’ve never encountered compatibility issues with any software I run, I didn’t have to spend hours tweaking things to get everything how I wanted it. All I did was install it and hit the ground running.”

    The majority of windows users, from what ive experienced. Have problems left and right, crashing left and right, application errors. And dont have time to troubleshoot the problem, and get it fixed.

    Im irritated with having to be the good will man and go around and fix everyones computer problems. Because they simply dont know what the hell they’re doing. I keep teling them if they would invest a little more money and get a mac, they could be ignorant and not blow their computer up. As end-users they shouldnt have to suffer like that.

    “The system has an AMD Phenom 9850 Quad-Core, 6 GB of RAM, I can’t remember how much hard drive space, and a 512 MB NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT. Grand total I spent about $750 *including* the purchase of Vista. I’m pretty sure that the cost of this machine could not possibly be thousands of dollars more than anything.”

    Clock speed?
    Ram speed?
    Wireless N/
    Dvi?
    Bluetooth?
    Anti-theft lock?
    Firewire 400 and 800
    Gigabit ethernet?
    Optical audio?
    Slotload drive?

    Did you include

    The cost of a virus scan program?

    The cost of the software you get on your mac for free, Equivilent to garage band, photo booth, Ichat, text editing app that allows you to export PDFS?

    “Did you even read this article or did you stop at the first sign that this article was bashing Apple because your Apple fan-boy sense was tingling? The whole thing is about how Apple has made a proprietary change to a standard (and extremely common) piece of hardware just so it’s only usable with their products.”

    I did read this article, and I agree that thats messed up.

    Now im being called a fan-boy? if anything im a fan-boy with a cause…I think thats how it went …xD

    What’s wrong with being a fan-boy?

    “Because it’s so easy to set up straw man arguments?”

    No, because I used windows for years and it was nothing but years of shedding tears of frustration. Yelling for dads help, pounding monitors and keyboards, re-installs, un-installs, formatting, and waiting, and time wasting. The final straw was when I lost all my work due to a registry error, and had to start all over. Ever since I got this mac (macbook pro) I don’t deal with the same crap I get on the Windows OS. Of course that only happens when I have to run windows xD. Through parallels tho.

    Ill reply to Dangerous Dave later.

    1. BenRK - Over a year ago

      I want to say that I’ve had my computer since 2004, and it hasn’t had a single problem with Windows. It doesn’t crash on me, I don’t get viruses, and even then, I have free virus protection that works just as well as anything you have to pay for.

      My computer has Wireless N, and bluetooth, and I really don’t think a slot load drive has ANYTHING to do with this. It’s really just aesthetics.

    2. BenRK - Over a year ago

      My mistake. 2003.

    3. FredFredrickson - Over a year ago

      “How long does a PC last an average person? A year? less than that? Macs tend to last several years longer. You can run Apples lateset OS on macs clear back from 2000. I dont see a year 2000 PC running vista.”

      You’re kidding me, right? My PC’s usually last me between 3-4 years, and with the ability to upgrade certain parts at my own whim, it can last longer than that. I’ve got two PC’s sitting here that are running XP, but can also run Vista / Win7, and one of them is from my college days – 5 years ago.

      Try running a recent version of OS X on a Mac from 2000. Not only will it not run, because Macs don’t use Power PC CPU’s anymore, but even if it did, the video card in it is so antiquated, I doubt you’d get more than a slideshow out of it anyway.

    4. Score_Under - Over a year ago

      Compwhiz128, all your arguments are useless, it’s damn near a fact that PC is better than mac, live with it. You’re not converting anyone, you’re annoying them.

      And your nice little list?
      >>Clock speed?
      >>Ram speed?
      >>Wireless N/
      >>Dvi?
      >>Bluetooth?
      >>Anti-theft lock?
      >>Firewire 400 and 800
      >>Gigabit ethernet?
      >>Optical audio?
      >>Slotload drive?

      Half that stuff is either useless, not supported with my current hardware (routers, screens, etc), or it’s Firewire, which died 65 million years ago.

    5. HeroofTime55 - Over a year ago

      If I ever write a virus, it’s going to target Macs only, because of faggots like you.

      Macs are overpriced pieces of shit, and someone has to teach you that. Ever wonder WHY there are no viruses for a Mac? I’ll give you a hint, it’s not because OS-X is just an amazing operating system.

      Comments like “HURRR DURRRR what if your free virus scanner is actually a virus DURRRRRR” make me want to strangle you.

      If you’re a complete retard when it come to computers, or of you’re an art major, I would recommend a mac. For anything else, anything at all, you want something else, probably windows.

      PS: swapping RAM is not the same thing as complete customization control, nowhere near it. What you get out of the box is what you’re fucking stuck with. It’s the same with all Apple products. I can’t even replace the battery in my iPod without sending the damn thing in to get replaced at an $80 fee. Thankfully, my iPod was a gift, so when I buy a $15 battery online and put it in myself, I know that I didn’t give Apple any money for them to make my life a huge hassle.

      Fuck apple. How they are Microsofts leading competitor, I don’t know.

      Is Microsoft evil? Probably. But I’m not going to run crying to Apple, they’re ten times worse.

    6. FredFredrickson - Over a year ago

      Hey now – I’m an “art major” (I’m a graduate, actually), and I do fine with my PC.

      Maybe if you’re some kind of a conformist graphic designer who thinks the Mac might make you look like you know what you’re doing, or something…

    7. Compwhiz128 - Over a year ago

      “Maybe if you’re some kind of a conformist graphic designer who thinks the Mac might make you look like you know what you’re doing, or something…”

      http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/action/button/

      Of course, you said “graphic designer”

      @BenRK
      “No, a majority of computer users are computer illiterate. Which is WHY there’s the anti-virus and anti-malware programs. I will admit that the people who don’t know what they’re doing tend to get into trouble, but blaming an operating system because of the users mistakes is like saying the Mac has a bunch of fun games and stuff on it.”

      Isnt that what I said?

      So its the users mistake by opening Internet Explorer, entering a webpage, and have a virus download itself without the users consent?

      Because I’ve had that happen before.

      I hope Vistas UAC remedys this.

    8. FredFredrickson - Over a year ago

      Of course, you said “graphic designer”

      I said that purely in jest. I think it’s absurd that people think you need to own a Mac if you want to be a graphic designer.

      So its the users mistake by opening Internet Explorer, entering a webpage, and have a virus download itself without the users consent?

      Yes, it is. If you’re not visiting a website that is safe, then it is entirely your fault. And that is the only time things like this happen.

      Someday, there will be a browser-borne virus that affects Macs, and I will bet you that a much higher percentage of Mac users get the virus because they know nothing about safe browsing habits, and people like you perpetuate the myth that they are completely safe.

    9. dangerous_dave - Over a year ago

      Ok smarty pants, how did you make those quote things?

      Someday, there will be a browser-borne virus that affects Macs, and I will bet you that a much higher percentage of Mac users get the virus because they know nothing about safe browsing habits, and people like you perpetuate the myth that they are completely safe.

      I fully agree. Mac users should be trained in downstream virus scanning and the same browsing habbits as Windows users. If Mac OS is going to keep gaining market share, the virus threat is a very real one.

    10. FredFredrickson - Over a year ago

      Hehe, when I enter comments via the control panel, it gives me the rich text controls. I’m not sure what the code is for using those, but I fixed your post.

    11. dangerous_dave - Over a year ago

      Hehe, when I enter comments via the control panel, it gives me the rich text controls. I’m not sure what the code is for using those, but I fixed your post.

      Hmm the page source uses

      tabs. Wonder if that works.

    12. dangerous_dave - Over a year ago

      Yay! Worked it out :P. Although that second half wasn’t supposed to be quoted, I was just writing the name of the tag. It’s without spaces, and a closing tag.

    13. Compwhiz128 - Over a year ago

      “I said that purely in jest. I think it’s absurd that people think you need to own a Mac if you want to be a graphic designer.”

      Hey, you dont have to, but whats tweaking me is why are all these graphic designers and post production companies using macs?

      “Someday, there will be a browser-borne virus that affects Macs, and I will bet you that a much higher percentage of Mac users get the virus because they know nothing about safe browsing habits, and people like you perpetuate the myth that they are completely safe.'”

      Even after having numerous competitions offering cash prizes, not one person has managed to create a virus to take down a mac, even if a virus manages to get past the BSD underpinnings of the mac os, it cannot get past the end-user who must enter a password to allow access to the critical system folder, a feature created by apple, not BSD.

      The only reason why windows is more prone to viruses, is because its a propietary system, that microsoft wont open, today its most likely too late, other operatiting systems other than OS X are light years ahead of their security.

    14. FredFredrickson - Over a year ago

      Hey, you dont have to, but whats tweaking me is why are all these graphic designers and post production companies using macs?

      Some do, some don’t. Post production is a bit different, since there does exist software like Final Cut which isn’t on PC’s, but for regular graphic design work, there’s nothing stopping you from using either platform, as most Adobe software / creative suites are available for both platforms. Personally, I think the bias comes into play with schools, who receive large donations and discounts on Mac computers. If the design lab at my college had been all-PC, I doubt hardly any of the designers there would have ended up using Macs in the end.

      And personally, I’ve gotten by on a PC my whole life, and there’s never been any graphic design work that I couldn’t do. I actually find more useful (and stable) software on the Windows side.

      Even after having numerous competitions offering cash prizes, not one person has managed to create a virus to take down a mac, even if a virus manages to get past the BSD underpinnings of the mac os, it cannot get past the end-user who must enter a password to allow access to the critical system folder, a feature created by apple, not BSD.

      Got any links to show us for this? I recently read that Safari was the quickest to fall at the recent (and very publicized) pwn2own hacking competition. And OS X was the first to get hacked at the same event last year.

      Apple users like to tout the password feature, but I really very much doubt that if OS X were being used by the same number of people as Windows, nobody would have found a way around this yet. There is no such thing as a completely secure computing platform. If you truly believe that Mac is impenetrable, then you’re just contributing to the ignorance that might one day devastate the Mac community.

      The only reason why windows is more prone to viruses, is because its a propietary system, that microsoft wont open, today its most likely too late, other operatiting systems other than OS X are light years ahead of their security.

      Let’s not ignore the most important aspect here, however – that more people use it. OS X would have the same issues if their market shares were reversed.

    15. Compwhiz128 - Over a year ago

      Market share and viruses?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bocwCV3GuCE

      He posted an update video, mentioning the UAC in vista. But it gives you an idea why windows is more virus prone.

    16. FredFredrickson - Over a year ago

      Do you really think Windows would have the same amount of virus problems if its market share with OS X were reversed, and it only held 5% of the world market?

      Really, that’s just silly. Windows might not be built as solidly as it could have been, but to say that market share has nothing to do with the amount of people exploiting it is just plain ignorant.

    17. Compwhiz128 - Over a year ago

      Did you see the video?

      Regardless of market share, security design is critical so when that end-user downloads that bad file, how much of the system is affected, and the systems ability to contain the virus are important. Even that is debated between windows and os X

    18. FredFredrickson - Over a year ago

      Of course security design is critical – I would never argue otherwise. But it doesn’t take much intuition to understand that a platform that is used by 90% of the world is going to have more people punching holes in it than one that only 4% of the world uses.

  11. Compwhiz128 - Over a year ago

    “How do you define “comparable”? If you are talking spec wise, PCs are cheaper. There’s no denying that. Windows costs a fraction of what OS X costs when you buy it bundled. Its usually around $US40 for an OEM copy of Windows, bundled with a computer. You don’t know ths because you can’t buy this licence from a shop, only the overpriced ones. Microsoft has been near-giving away XP for netbooks to try to keep market share after companies started moving to Linux for their netbooks. It’s impossible to compare OS X because Apple is the only company who sell it with computers at bundle price, whatever that is.”

    I mean spec for spec, I should include what type of computer, because many compare their machines to an all in one.

    Vista Ultimate last time I checked cost, $300

    Os x I think was $130 for a family license pack. But then again OS x requires no hardware verification. UNless you try to install your OEM CD on another mac xD!

    “It doesn’t matter if the majority of Windows software is junk, the good stuff alone is still far more than the good stuff for Mac. There is far more exclusive to Windows software than exclusive to Mac (Game Maker, for example). Who pays for virus scanning? There are plenty of free virus scanners. That “free” software that comes with your mac (like iLife) is not actually free. That’s like saying that the power cord was free because it came with your computer. You don’t even get iLife if you buy Leopard on it’s own. There are (possibly more than) proportianally equal number of Mac zealots. And the Mac commecials were awful and below the belt.”

    Macs can run windows, and windows softare. so doesnt that make the “more exclusive software” claim invalid? Because I can easily run game maker on crossover, and parallels.

    How do you know that that “free” virus scanner isnt a virus itself? rofflewaffle. I admit I use spybot on my friends computers a lot. But it doesnt completely remove all said viruses and spyware.

    Dont forget about the built in PDF technologies.

    I agree the mac commercials are awful, they need to toughen it up.

    “Most of your comments are misguided or just plain wrong. I use a Mac because I like them. I like Apple for what they have done for me. I am also aware of how they treat others (like not allowing them to use a supposedly “uneversal” cable on anything but that which what it intended), and I am also aware that I have got just as much free stuff from Microsoft as I have from Apple. Hell, you could almost say that it’s the hardware companies that drove me away from Windows rather than Microsoft.”

    I use a mac because I was irritated with Windows. I like apple for releasing an operating system that actually operates the system.

    Now I have said this before. When Microsoft got a monopolistic hold of the OS market share in 95, if they had of asked some of the open source guys, and linux guys for some help in furthering Windows’s development instead of trying to kill em off. This laptop would be from a PC manufacturer running windows, and I would be bashing apple for being light years behind windows. But the opposite has occurred.

    1. BenRK - Over a year ago

      Wait wait wait wait… did you just contradict your self?

      “Forget that everything in the windows OS is proprietary.”
      “After all is said and done Microsoft sticks to their guns, follows the same path they always have, and makes a no-stop trip straight into proprietary hell.”

      and

      “Macs can run windows, and windows softare. so doesnt that make the “more exclusive software” claim invalid? Because I can easily run game maker on crossover, and parallels.”

      Holy crap! I think you did contradict your self!!!

      “How do you know that that “free” virus scanner isnt a virus itself? rofflewaffle.”

      rofflewaffle? What the heck is this rofflewaffle you speak of? But seriously, I wouldn’t download some random, un-reviewed, unknown anti-virus software. According to you, a PC user is retarded. Maybe Mac users are too. Never know!

      And with the advent of GM8, I’m sure you’ll be seeing a lot more viruses for the Mac.

      “I agree the mac commercials are awful, they need to toughen it up.”

      I just find it how untrue it is. According to the commercials, Macs are all fun, PCs are all work. I’ve yet to see a Mac do much more then work, and I do plenty more fun things then writing school work assignments on my computer.

      “Vista Ultimate last time I checked cost, $300”

      And I have to have the latest, and highest ended version of Windows… why? I’m perfectly comfortable using an operating system that hasn’t fallen out of favor with… just about everyone. No need to spend money on something I don’t need.

      “I like apple for releasing an operating system that actually operates the system.”

      Again, I haven’t experienced any problems with my OS. Seems perfectly stable to me.

      “I mean spec for spec, I should include what type of computer, because many compare their machines to an all in one.”

      Mac:
      One 2.66GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon “Nehalem” processor
      3GB (three 1GB) memory
      640GB hard drive 1
      18x double-layer SuperDrive
      NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 with 512MB
      $2,499.00
      http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_pro

      PC:
      Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 2.5GHz
      8GB DDR2
      1TB SATA 3G
      SuperMulti DVD±RW Dual Layer LightScribe
      ATI Radeon HD 4850
      $1,219.99
      http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4375466&CatId=3423

      Holy crap! I think the PC even has better specs then the Mac Pro!!!

      Proof enough for you?

    2. dangerous_dave - Over a year ago

      “Vista Ultimate last time I checked cost, $300

      Os x I think was $130 for a family license pack. But then again OS x requires no hardware verification. UNless you try to install your OEM CD on another mac xD!”

      Just because Mac OS X can be instaled on multiple Macs doesn’t make it a family pack. It’s like buying XP and installing it on multiple computers. It’s against the licence agreement, but possible. The single user Leopard version costs $129 bought from Apple. Of course I’m gunna make up a statistic and say that over 90% of Windows users dn’t pay $300 for it, they buy a new computer and pay the $40 bundled cost of it. Ultimate is probably more, but not even close to $300.

      “Macs can run windows, and windows softare. so doesnt that make the “more exclusive software” claim invalid? Because I can easily run game maker on crossover, and parallels.”

      Ok so
      A) There goes your virus claim. You are now running Wndows, you are now likely to get a virus without a virus scanner (that you apparently pay a monthly subscription for).
      B) You just bought a Windows licence. Probably not the $300 one, it probably came with an older computer you had lying around. But you still paid the $40. Since you are likely twelve, by “you” I really mean your parents. Those people who got you a nice new Mac.

      “How do you know that that “free” virus scanner isnt a virus itself? rofflewaffle. I admit I use spybot on my friends computers a lot. But it doesnt completely remove all said viruses and spyware.”

      Spybot isn’t designed to catch the viruses. That’s your problem. It’s for spyware removal. It must be run in conjunction with a virus scanner, like AVG Free.

      “Dont forget about the built in PDF technologies.”
      Which part? The reading? Windows points you to where you can download Adobe Acrobat Reader. It’s hardly something I would consider a selling point of the Mac OS.

      “I use a mac because I was irritated with Windows. I like apple for releasing an operating system that actually operates the system.”
      If Microsoft was developing Windows to run on a dozen different computers, it would probably be more stable. They aren’t, they develop it to run on hundreds, if not thousands of different models of computer.

      “And with the advent of GM8, I’m sure you’ll be seeing a lot more viruses for the Mac.”
      How many Windows viruses are there written with GM? None that can get around vistas UAC, that’s for sure. Macs run a simmilar system, where the user, even the administrative user, doesn’t have administrator access. This means the GM games (on Vista or Mac) can’t destroy anything. And there’s aways GM’s secure mode if you are that worried.

      “I just find it how untrue it is. According to the commercials, Macs are all fun, PCs are all work. I’ve yet to see a Mac do much more then work, and I do plenty more fun things then writing school work assignments on my computer.”

      I don’t do much work on my Mac at all. I don’t think Macs are any more fun that PCs though. Possibly less, with a lack of commercial games, but it depends on your definition of fun.

      As for OS problems, I have had plenty with both Mac and Windows (I can make my kernal panic on demand, that’s how awesome I am :). I have submitted a bug report, so hopefully that will be fixed in 10.5.7). For Windows, a lot of the time it has been hardware faults, not software. The rest were due to viruses, not OS instability. And that’s just because someone wasn’t aware they needed virus scanning.

    3. BenRK - Over a year ago

      “How many Windows viruses are there written with GM? None that can get around vistas UAC, that’s for sure. Macs run a simmilar system, where the user, even the administrative user, doesn’t have administrator access. This means the GM games (on Vista or Mac) can’t destroy anything. And there’s aways GM’s secure mode if you are that worried.”

      Hey, I didn’t day they’d be perfect! XD

      “I don’t do much work on my Mac at all. I don’t think Macs are any more fun that PCs though. Possibly less, with a lack of commercial games, but it depends on your definition of fun.”

      Hey, maybe I want to play the games! =P

  12. Compwhiz128 - Over a year ago

    “You’re kidding me, right? My PC’s usually last me between 3-4 years, and with the ability to upgrade certain parts at my own whim, it can last longer than that. I’ve got two PC’s sitting here that are running XP, but can also run Vista / Win7, and one of them is from my college days – 5 years ago.”

    I said “average” My PC from 2003 is still here gathering dust, but I dont really use it anymore.

    “Try running a recent version of OS X on a Mac from 2000. Not only will it not run, because Macs don’t use Power PC CPU’s anymore, but even if it did, the video card in it is so antiquated, I doubt you’d get more than a slideshow out of it anyway.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su8zWpFOkAM

    To sum it all up, a guy boots leapord on his beige powermc G3 (well G4 really)

    Compwhiz128, all your arguments are useless, it’s damn near a fact that PC is better than mac, live with it. You’re not converting anyone, you’re annoying them.

    And your nice little list?
    >>Clock speed?
    >>Ram speed?
    >>Wireless N/
    >>Dvi?
    >>Bluetooth?
    >>Anti-theft lock?
    >>Firewire 400 and 800
    >>Gigabit ethernet?
    >>Optical audio?
    >>Slotload drive?

    Half that stuff is either useless, not supported with my current hardware (routers, screens, etc), or it’s Firewire, which died 65 million years ago.”

    If thats true, then why the hell are all these mass media corporations using macs?

    Wireless N?

    As a post productions person thing for example, they need the fastest possible wireless as they can get

    Dvi?

    Many PC’s still ship with vga by default.

    And as a graphic designer for example, needs the best quality picture they can get

    Bluetooth?

    Never know whan yall need it (got me there)

    Anti theft lock?

    I payed good money for this computer, and I dont want assholes stealing it!

    Fire wire 400 and 800?

    How do I import video into final cut studio in the fastest time possible?

    I need to back up my files as soon as possible, whats the fastest option?

    Gigabit ethernet.

    Speed.

    Optical audio?

    I would need the best sound quality I can get when working with audio.

    Slot load drive?

    A slot load mechanism has less moving parts, and thus lasts longer than a “tray” drive. Although its kinda stupid how apple still has tray drives on their mac pros.

    @benRK

    “Holy crap! I think you did contradict your self!!!”

    Ok?

    Notive I have to run windows. I HAVE to, its kinda like…rape…a form of techno rape! :0!

    “rofflewaffle? What the heck is this rofflewaffle you speak of? But seriously, I wouldn’t download some random, un-reviewed, unknown anti-virus software. According to you, a PC user is retarded. Maybe Mac users are too. Never know!”

    Did I ever say that, a PC user is retarded? what you dont seem to understand is, the majority of computer users in general, not just PC but mac too are what you call “retarded”

    “And with the advent of GM8, I’m sure you’ll be seeing a lot more viruses for the Mac.”

    A virus cant get past the end user who must enter a password to let the virus through. The issue with that is the user wouldnt know if it was a virus or not.

    “I just find it how untrue it is. According to the commercials, Macs are all fun, PCs are all work. I’ve yet to see a Mac do much more then work, and I do plenty more fun things then writing school work assignments on my computer.”

    They were so bad at first, but they’re getting better…somehow.

    “And I have to have the latest, and highest ended version of Windows… why? I’m perfectly comfortable using an operating system that hasn’t fallen out of favor with… just about everyone. No need to spend money on something I don’t need.”

    Yes you do. :P

    Simply because if you want to compare Os X to Windows, it will cost you credibility points if you dont compare it to ultimate…

    “Again, I haven’t experienced any problems with my OS. Seems perfectly stable to me.”

    Once again i stress the majority of computers.

    “Mac:
    One 2.66GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon “Nehalem” processor
    3GB (three 1GB) memory
    640GB hard drive 1
    18x double-layer SuperDrive
    NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 with 512MB
    $2,499.00
    http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_pro

    PC:
    Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 2.5GHz
    8GB DDR2
    1TB SATA 3G
    SuperMulti DVD±RW Dual Layer LightScribe
    ATI Radeon HD 4850
    $1,219.99
    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4375466&CatId=3423

    Holy crap! I think the PC even has better specs then the Mac Pro!!!

    Proof enough for you?”

    Not quite.

    The processors are different.

    check out the ram on the mac pro

    ” The quad-core Mac Pro supports up to 8GB of 1066MHz DDR3 ECC SDRAM memory in four slots. Choose more memory for improved overall system performance.”

    Do you get an OEM copy of vista?

    Well you got me there, but have there been performance tests of said computer, and if so are they better than the mac pros?

    1. BenRK - Over a year ago

      “Not quite.

      The processors are different.

      check out the ram on the mac pro”

      Well, with the $1000+ I saved, that’s a quick, easy upgrade with money left over to spare.

      “Once again i stress the majority of computers.”

      Hey, can anyone here tell me they’ve had problems with the OS it self? Anyone?

      “Anti theft lock?

      I payed good money for this computer, and I dont want assholes stealing it! ”

      And you’re carrying around your desktop in the middle of the city WHY?

      “what you dont seem to understand is, the majority of computer users in general, not just PC but mac too are what you call “retarded””

      No, a majority of computer users are computer illiterate. Which is WHY there’s the anti-virus and anti-malware programs. I will admit that the people who don’t know what they’re doing tend to get into trouble, but blaming an operating system because of the users mistakes is like saying the Mac has a bunch of fun games and stuff on it.

  13. Yourself - Over a year ago

    “Clock speed?”

    2.5 GHz

    “Ram speed?”

    DDR2 1066

    “Wireless N/”

    None, I’m on a wired network (it’s a desktop).

    “Dvi?”

    Yeah, two slots, one for each of my monitors. Also there’s another on the mainboard for the integrated graphics, which I don’t use.

    “Bluetooth?”

    No, what would I need that for?

    “Anti-theft lock?”

    There are two doors between this desktop and the outside world. Both have locks, the cost of which was not included here since they protect things other than the computer.

    “Firewire 400 and 800”

    400 (1394a), but it’s useless since I have nothing to plug in to it.

    “Gigabit ethernet?”

    Yes.

    “Optical audio?”

    Yes, but I don’t use it.

    “Slotload drive?”

    No, it’s a tray. On a desktop I don’t see why this would make a difference.

    1. HeroofTime55 - Over a year ago

      “But… but… but….

      Does your computer have a slick white design with a light up apple logo? No? HA, My computer is better than yours!”

  14. Zakreon - Over a year ago

    Troll invasion, much? The only thing I have to add right now is the joke of the MacBook Air. Who over there was thinking it might of been a good idea? I remember the commercials, centering on the laptop as it panned to the right, displaying the incredible thinness, which could really awe you.

    Except later you learn the computer has no optical drive, a small hard drive, a slow processor, and a limit of 2 gigs of ram. Along with this is no ethernet port, a single USB port, and enough critical failure problems with its hardware to make anybody cry over their lost $1800.

    I’m also pretty sure it would break into many, expensive pieces if I dropped or moved it in the wrong way. I say again, what were they thinking?

    1. dangerous_dave - Over a year ago

      Haven’t I already argued this? Since that time, Dell have released their own DellBook Air (though they call it the Adamo). It has similar specs to the MacBook air. And costs around $US2000 (according to one site, possibly the release price). That’s a lot of money. But although Dells shares have fallen, they are still doing better than other leading PC manufacturer HP (maybe it’s all those understaffed customer service centers that make it insanely hard to get anything fixed when they are footing the bill). There are also other manufacturers planning on releasing thin notebooks too. I think it’s an area of the market that definatly exists, just not my niche (or anyone who reads this blog, I would guess).

    2. FredFredrickson - Over a year ago

      They were thinking about grabbing a quick $1,800 from gullible customers, of course. :D

  15. erthgy - Over a year ago

    In all honesty, this is why my cousin (the older, smarter one with computers) and I use the XP. It’s cheap, and doesn’t have any bull shit attached to it like the Apple’s Mac (which a few of my neighbours held high regard for), or Windows Vista (while we talk about operating systems…)

    Thanks for the article Fredfrederickson… It was worth my time.

    1. FredFredrickson - Over a year ago

      No problem!

      I don’t really hate Apple or Macs, per se. But I really don’t like the misinformation that Apple spreads in order to promote their products, and I am forced to use a Mac every day at work, so I usually have a pretty good idea when someone is BS-ing me about how great they are.

      The reality is that they aren’t any better than any other platform out there – Vista and Linux included.

  16. dangerous_dave - Over a year ago

    Hmm ok so I can’t actually write it. It’s blockquote as an HTML tag.

  17. Ginosmooth - Over a year ago

    Great article and I really hate when Apple does that. They also did it with composite video cords for the iPod classic. The old ones wont work because they want to force you to buy a new one. Now I’m not going to enter the full blown argument here but I think some of CompWhiz’s remarks were very one sided and false in almost every way. I will however point out one thing about the lasting time for Macs vs. PC was awful. I’d be willing to put money on the fact that most Mac users get longer life span out of there macs (or so you say) because every time they would like to upgrade there video card, hey they have to shell out 2000+ for a WHOLE NEW COMPUTER. And if you are like most people I don’t think you want to spend $2000 every 6 months for a new mac. Thus these users stay content with there current computer and there you have your false sense of life span. Also PC’s do get lots of life span. Anyway great article and another example of how big companies can screw use over and get away with it.

  18. dangerous_dave - Over a year ago

    Let’s hope the spam catcher has let me post again… BTW use blockquote tags for quotes (my last posts had the tag stripped so they kinda don’t make sense in some parts :P)

    Market share and viruses?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bocwCV3GuCE

    He posted an update video, mentioning the UAC in vista. But it gives you an idea why windows is more virus prone.

    I only watched the first minute and realised it wasn’t worth watching. He is trying to claim that market share has no impact on the number of viruses, but his point is that it’s not proportional. Very different.

    When someone wants to make a virus, they have no reason to target OS X or Linux. Windows has an 88% share of the market. For any reason other than proof of concept, you would be crazy to write your virus for anything but Windows. Viruses per OS aren’t proportional, but they sure as hell are influenced by market share. If Windows had 5% market share, would 99% of viruses target it? Hell no.

  19. dangerous_dave - Over a year ago

    Hmm my post got stuck way up there in the middle… I think this is a little buggy…

  20. ChIkEn - Over a year ago

    “Mac:
    One 2.66GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon “Nehalem” processor
    3GB (three 1GB) memory
    640GB hard drive 1
    18x double-layer SuperDrive
    NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 with 512MB
    $2,499.00
    http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_pro

    PC:
    Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 2.5GHz
    8GB DDR2
    1TB SATA 3G
    SuperMulti DVD±RW Dual Layer LightScribe
    ATI Radeon HD 4850
    $1,219.99
    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4375466&CatId=3423

    Holy crap! I think the PC even has better specs then the Mac Pro!!!

    Proof enough for you?”

    GAAAH You FAIL at picking computer parts. The mac is a SERVER, not a desktop. And the CPU on the Mac, and even the RAM is better. Geesshh.

  21. MT - Over a year ago

    I was given an Ipod, and its pretty lame. My psp is better and its not even meant primarily as a music player

    My friend told me the latest macs have parts soldered to the case. Soldered. As in if it breaks (OMIGOSH MACS BREAK SOMETIMES? NOWAI!) you’re stuffed.

  22. Compwhiz128 - Over a year ago

    “If I ever write a virus, it’s going to target Macs only, because of faggots like you.”

    Don’t sneeze bud, you only have a few IQ points left.

    “Macs are overpriced pieces of shit, and someone has to teach you that. Ever wonder WHY there are no viruses for a Mac? I’ll give you a hint, it’s not because OS-X is just an amazing operating system.”

    The “Macs are Overpriced” myth was busted long ago, some californian mac head was actually offering a cash prize to contenders who could find a comparable PC that could out run the Imac spec for spec.

    Of course he stopped making his videos, after people with sub-human intellect hijacked his account.

    “Comments like “HURRR DURRRR what if your free virus scanner is actually a virus DURRRRRR” make me want to strangle you.”

    “If you’re a complete retard when it come to computers, or of you’re an art major, I would recommend a mac. For anything else, anything at all, you want something else, probably windows.”

    Retard when it comes to computers? People who cringe at the word “screwdriver” and call 911 when they get a serious error message? People who have jobs, bills to pay, food to put on the table, and don’t have time or patience to deal with the crap their computer throws at them?

    It goes a little something like this: Pc’s were developed by poor hardware manufacturers, for smart people.

    Windows was developed by complete dipshits, for smart people.

    While on the other hand, mac hardware was developed by geniuses for dummies.

    Mac OS X was developed by gods, for dummies.

    Besides, most mac users, from what Ive seen, dont have time to get into the intricacies of hardware and software issues. Because they’re too busy making million dollar movies. They’re too busy creating Visual FX. They’re too busy making $400 an hour.

    Hey, if you were somewhat smart, you would of left windows a long time ago, because you would realize how terrible it really was.

    “PS: swapping RAM is not the same thing as complete customization control, nowhere near it. What you get out of the box is what you’re fucking stuck with. It’s the same with all Apple products. I can’t even replace the battery in my iPod without sending the damn thing in to get replaced at an $80 fee. Thankfully, my iPod was a gift, so when I buy a $15 battery online and put it in myself, I know that I didn’t give Apple any money for them to make my life a huge hassle.”

    Dont for get about hard drives!

    With many OEM computers what you get is what you get.

    Most computer users throw out their computers like they do appliances. Its too slow, and its just getting old and into the garbage it goes.

    You cant replace the battery in the Zune without sending it in.

    “Fuck apple. How they are Microsofts leading competitor, I don’t know.”

    Its because of apple why Microsoft exists.

    “Is Microsoft evil? Probably. But I’m not going to run crying to Apple, they’re ten times worse.”

    Remember, apple is why Microsoft exists.

    1. FredFredrickson - Over a year ago

      Macs are more expensive than comparable PC’s. Anyone who has anything to do with computers (and knows what they are talking about) will tell you that.

      But Compwhiz, you should have just told use straight off that you were one of those people who hates Microsoft because they had a nebulous relationship with Apple’s founders… you could have saved us all the trouble of arguing with you, because you’re clearly completely irrational.

      And what about this recent trojan that was found, that turns infected Macs into botnet computers? Over the last few days, I’ve seen multiple people on TV and on the radio talking about how Macs are not invulnerable, and Mac users need to be educated about internet / computer security and safety. Seems you were wrong about that too.

    2. FredFredrickson - Over a year ago

      For reference, I just got on Newegg and built a computer with the same parts, or better as the Quad Core Mac Pro, with 24″ display included.

      The Mac Pro was outfitted as follows:
      – 2.66GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
      – 3GB (3x1GB)
      – 640GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
      – NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 512MB
      – 18x SuperDrive (32x CD / 18x DVD writer)
      – Apple LED Cinema Display (24″ flat panel)
      – Apple Mighty Mouse
      – Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad
      – No other extras

      The total cost of this Mac Pro was $3,398.

      The PC I built on Newegg was outfitted as follows:
      – Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core CPU
      – GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Mobo
      – Crucial 3GB (3 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM 1333 (PC3 10600) RAM
      – Seagate 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5″ HDD
      – EVGA GeForce GTS 250 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 GPU
      – Pioneer 20X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Optical Drive
      – SAMSUNG Glossy Black 24″ 5ms HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor
      – Microsoft Black 3 Buttons / Wheel USB Wired Optical Mouse
      – Microsoft Black USB Wired Slim Keyboard
      – Antec Performance One P180 Silver cold rolled steel ATX Mid Tower Case
      – Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP3 OEM

      The CPU is the exact same model as the Mac Pro, the GPU is a tiny bit different (couldn’t find the same model, this one is better, I think), the optical drive is better, the monitor is an LCD as opposed to Apple’s LED (I can’t tell the difference), and the mouse and keyboard are Microsoft made. Additionally, that Antec case is pretty sweet, and you can add $40 if you want Vista Ultimate.

      The cost of the PC, as configured above, is $1,431.89.
      And it’s even lower if you take advantage of the combo deals Newegg has going on.

      That’s a price difference of 58%. That’s huge. If you wanted to, you could add an even better video card, more RAM, and more HDD space, and you’d still be way ahead of Apple’s price.

      So I’ve backed up my words with cold, hard facts. I’m sorry you’ve been so brainwashed by Apple’s marketing campaigns, but frankly, I think you needed this wake up call.

  23. Compwhiz128 - Over a year ago

    “Macs are more expensive than comparable PC’s. Anyone who has anything to do with computers (and knows what they are talking about) will tell you that.”

    Tell that to Calis mac guy.

    “But Compwhiz, you should have just told use straight off that you were one of those people who hates Microsoft because they had a nebulous relationship with Apple’s founders… you could have saved us all the trouble of arguing with you, because you’re clearly completely irrational.”

    “And what about this recent trojan that was found, that turns infected Macs into botnet computers? Over the last few days, I’ve seen multiple people on TV and on the radio talking about how Macs are not invulnerable, and Mac users need to be educated about internet / computer security and safety. Seems you were wrong about that too.”

    Notice how it requires the users consent to make it work?

    On windows viruses can execute behind the users back without the user even knowing it.

    For reference, I just got on Newegg and built a computer with the same parts, or better as the Quad Core Mac Pro, with 24? display included.

    The Mac Pro was outfitted as follows:
    – 2.66GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
    – 3GB (3×1GB)
    – 640GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
    – NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 512MB
    – 18x SuperDrive (32x CD / 18x DVD writer)
    – Apple LED Cinema Display (24? flat panel)
    – Apple Mighty Mouse
    – Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad
    – No other extras

    The total cost of this Mac Pro was $3,398.

    The PC I built on Newegg was outfitted as follows:
    – Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core CPU
    – GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Mobo
    – Crucial 3GB (3 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM 1333 (PC3 10600) RAM
    – Seagate 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5? HDD
    – EVGA GeForce GTS 250 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 GPU
    – Pioneer 20X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Optical Drive
    – SAMSUNG Glossy Black 24? 5ms HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor
    – Microsoft Black 3 Buttons / Wheel USB Wired Optical Mouse
    – Microsoft Black USB Wired Slim Keyboard
    – Antec Performance One P180 Silver cold rolled steel ATX Mid Tower Case
    – Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP3 OEM

    The CPU is the exact same model as the Mac Pro, the GPU is a tiny bit different (couldn’t find the same model, this one is better, I think), the optical drive is better, the monitor is an LCD as opposed to Apple’s LED (I can’t tell the difference), and the mouse and keyboard are Microsoft made. Additionally, that Antec case is pretty sweet, and you can add $40 if you want Vista Ultimate.

    The cost of the PC, as configured above, is $1,431.89.
    And it’s even lower if you take advantage of the combo deals Newegg has going on.

    That’s a price difference of 58%. That’s huge. If you wanted to, you could add an even better video card, more RAM, and more HDD space, and you’d still be way ahead of Apple’s price.”

    Is that comparison really spec for spec?

    “So I’ve backed up my words with cold, hard facts. I’m sorry you’ve been so brainwashed by Apple’s marketing campaigns, but frankly, I think you needed this wake up call.”

    Christ, not by apple, never.

    The person who convinced me to switch went by the name of Nick Asatourian. This guy was a god damn genious. No matter what kind of myths that people spewed at him, he managed to disprove them through his Jungian alter-Ego. Through my 12 year old logic , I discovered that if this guy can disprove all the mac myths, then purchasing a mac shouldnt leave me to issues.

    Of course when I would attempt to inform others, or try to disprove these things by myself, I would look like a total jackass for doing so, since this guy removed all this videos I used as sources. They should be reputable, because people could go nag at him.

    http://calimacguy.webs.com/

    1. FredFredrickson - Over a year ago

      Yes, that comparison is spec to spec. When I couldn’t find exactly the same part used in Apple’s machine, I defaulted to the next best thing. I thought that when I was finished, I would be somewhere in the $2,200-$2,500 range… so you can imagine that even I was pretty shocked at the price difference.

      Guess there’s some truth the “Apple tax,” eh?

      And yes, I know that the new trojan requires a user’s consent to work. But I guarantee you that it is possible to bypass that, and if Macs are used by more people continuing into the future, they will find those holes and exploit them. No operating system is invulnerable to attack.

  24. Compwhiz128 - Over a year ago

    “Yes, that comparison is spec to spec. When I couldn’t find exactly the same part used in Apple’s machine, I defaulted to the next best thing. I thought that when I was finished, I would be somewhere in the $2,200-$2,500 range… so you can imagine that even I was pretty shocked at the price difference.

    Guess there’s some truth the “Apple tax,” eh?

    And yes, I know that the new trojan requires a user’s consent to work. But I guarantee you that it is possible to bypass that, and if Macs are used by more people continuing into the future, they will find those holes and exploit them. No operating system is invulnerable to attack.”

    Well me being the dumb ass I am with you cornering me, I called for backup.

    1) core 17 and a nehalem Xeon are not comparable price wise. plus, they ARE NOT the same processor. The Xeon ALONE costs almost $1k

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117182

    The xeon has MORE FEATURES than the i7. Think of it as being the i7’s big brother.

    Tell him that the LED displays that Apple use are also IPS panels, which give superior color quality and viewing angles compared to the TN panels that you see in the bargain bin. PLUS, you can use the SAME display on a Mac Pro.

    Also, tell him to look up the complaints people have been posting concerning the samsung monitors. You get what you pay for.(True that)

    “So Ive backed up my words with cold, hard facts. Im sorry youve been so brainwashed by Apples marketing campaigns, but frankly, I think you needed this wake up call.”

    Tell this chump that he made a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT computer in a thinly veiled effort to paint the Mac Pro as overpriced. None of his components are the same as the Mac Pro’s. Not to CPU, GPU, RAM, etc (That is true)

    Tell him that he can build a pc with the exact same spec as a mac pro, but he is too chicken shit to do it because he knows the outcome will be very different. (I highly doubt that)

    Using the proper processor would raise his price a good $500 using the SAME display for both machines would either lower the price of the Mac Pro like a good $600+ or RAISE the price of his machine $600+, depending on which way he wants to go.

    It doesn’t matter whether he can tell the difference between an apple display or his samsung display. They certainly ARE different.

    The man’s a god damn genius! And kinda of an asshole, well how can you blame him? he gets crap like this daily.

    1. FredFredrickson - Over a year ago

      Haha, Compwhiz, you can’t accept defeat, can you? I’m going to put off getting angry at your “reinforcements” for calling me a ‘chump’ and an ‘asshole’ for later in this reply – for now, I’m just going to show you how wrong you are about the cost of a comparable PC.

      I’ll admit that I used an i7 CPU instead of a Xeon in that build – purely an accident on my part. But the CPU you’ve pointed me to is not the same as the one in the Mac Pro that I used in my comparison. The Apple website lists it as “One 2.66GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon,” which is a 3500 series. You’re trying to sub in a 2.93Ghz 5500 series, which is way more expensive, and way more powerful. I cannot find a 3500 series CPU with the exact same specs, but it would likely be less than the $950 CPU you linked to. Go ahead and mark down the CPU in my build as about $600-700; my PC is still over $1,000 cheaper than your Mac Pro.

      Tell him that the LED displays that Apple use are also IPS panels, which give superior color quality and viewing angles compared to the TN panels that you see in the bargain bin. PLUS, you can use the SAME display on a Mac Pro.
      Also, tell him to look up the complaints people have been posting concerning the samsung monitors. You get what you pay for.(True that)

      You’re kidding me, right? Not only is Samsung an upper-middle tier display manufacturer, but they are also some of the highest quality. I use both an Apple cinema display and a Samsung LCD, and though there is a slight difference in viewing angle visibility, the picture quality is identical between the two.

      Tell this chump that he made a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT computer in a thinly veiled effort to paint the Mac Pro as overpriced. None of his components are the same as the Mac Pro’s. Not to CPU, GPU, RAM, etc (That is true)
      Tell him that he can build a pc with the exact same spec as a mac pro, but he is too chicken shit to do it because he knows the outcome will be very different. (I highly doubt that)

      Wow. First of all, that computer is not completely different. Aside from the accidental CPU swap, the specs are identical. I’m not going to match the parts by manufacturer for RAM, HDD, etc. because there’s no point in doing that – you get the same machine regardless. Why use more expensive parts when you have the choice not to? That’s the main reason why you would decide to build your own computer in the first place.

      Using the proper processor would raise his price a good $500 using the SAME display for both machines would either lower the price of the Mac Pro like a good $600+ or RAISE the price of his machine $600+, depending on which way he wants to go.

      Okay. I’ll assume this guy is right and raise my PC price by $500 to total $1,931.89. And I’ll take the Mac cost down to the base cost and then add in the $400 for the Samsung monitor on the PC to total $2,898. That’s still a $800 difference, and that’s a considerable amount of money to just about anybody.

      It doesn’t matter whether he can tell the difference between an apple display or his samsung display. They certainly ARE different.

      Haha, now this is funny. You could make the same argument about Monster Cables. And that’s how you know you’ve sufficiently lost the argument.

      Now that we’re through with that mess, I’m going to make this request, Compwhiz. If you wish to continue this discussion, feel free. But I don’t want any more of this foul-mouthed hearsay, and I’m going to delete any further posts that showcase any more losers with nerd rage who are somehow angry at me over their lack of computer hardware knowledge. This was a waste of both of our time, because my argument still holds true – PC’s are sufficiently cheaper than Macs.

    2. FredFredrickson - Over a year ago

      Compwhiz, my spam filter picked up your newest comment, and I’m not publishing it. It’s just another collection of profanity-laced whining, and I’m not going to post comments on my own site from some loser who lost the argument and keeps trying to come back. This isn’t “taking my ball and going home.” It’s asking you to play nice, you failing, and me putting my foot down.

      I made an mistake with the i7 CPU, and I admitted it. If you or your “friend” are unwilling to accept my explanation, then so be it. But I’m not going to have someone call me a liar, especially on my own website, just because I made a mistake.

      I’m also not going to post it because it’s flat out wrong. The CPU on the mac Pro is not a 5500. The HDD is not a 1TB drive. And the Samsung monitor I mentioned, despite what your “friend” says about complaints, has gotten higher ratings on Newegg than any of the Apple displays available on the site.

      I’m always open to a smart, friendly discussion… but I am not going to put up with some random buffoon on the internet trying to tell me, in the most rude and offensive way possible, that Macs are somehow cheaper than PC’s, something which I have proven false here, and something that most everyone else in the industry would readily disagree with. Don’t you think it odd that among just about anyone who has anything to do with computers, the prevalent opinion is that Macs are more expensive than comparable PC computers?

      Anyway, if you have words of your own to post on this matter, feel free to continue posting. But if you’re looking to post another line of bullshit from the kook you’ve been talking to, forget about it. And tell that guy to get a god damned life.

    3. FredFredrickson - Over a year ago

      Sorry guys. You clearly don’t want to have a real discussion here, so I’m done with it. I don’t have any problem with foul language, but I’m not going to waste my time sorting through insult-laden posts just to show you you’re wrong again.

      I admitted I made a mistake, and I corrected it in my response, but you continue to call me a liar, so I have no choice but to conclude that you are too irrational to discuss this issue.

      Part for part, PC’s are cheaper than Macs, because with PC’s you have the freedom to choose who makes the parts in your machine. Everyone knows this. I proved it. And I’m not going to waste another second of my time reading two yahoos from the internet who claim otherwise, and who seem to have a problem keeping the discussion civil.

      Regardless of that, that’s not even the issue this article is about; it’s about why proprietary hardware sucks. And that’s another realm where Apple screws you over with a smile on its face. I’m sorry you’ve drank the Kool-Aid and bought into this ridiculous crap, but that’s just how it goes, I guess.

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